on energy, governor romney and i both agree we have got to boost american energy production and oil and natural gas production are higher than they have been in years. >> so you saw there again a steep incline about what was it closing the loopholes the doe domestic production? >> yeah. wal-mart moms really respond -- they responded well to what the president said. it's important to note while mitt romney had a better night than obama. it wasn't that the moms just tuned out whenever the president spoke. he this current out to a lot of of what he had to say we just watched or how the country is stronger when we have a strong personal class. when he told his own story. there was a lot that mom connected to. there is a lot what is going it happen in the in connection with next few debates. >> we can imagine moms are concerned about the economy. wall march moms are more concerned about getting food on their table than cash. did those things come up during the course of this debate with them. >> right. exactly. these moms are trying to figure out every day how to make ends meet for their fam